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"Why do you care?"
It seems like almost every page on this entire forum has at least one mention or question of how much these chicks make for doing almost nothing. Some people speculate, most just express shock, dismay, and disgust.
And invariably some asshole trying to be smug says something along the lines of "I'm here to fap, not talk about finances durr hurr". As if that positions them in some kind of superior standing. People are curious about the economics that drive the entire industry that fuels this very forum, and this guy thinks he himself is cool because he's jerking off.
I think Adam Carolla nails it in this clip:
For anyone who is curious, feel free to expand the spoiler.
The dough
That being said, with regard to e-thot earnings, obviously it varies widely. Not all thots are created equal and there are a number who seemingly have all the advantages, yet don't quite make it, while others have been able to do a lot more with a lot less. I went into how this happens in the How E-thotting Works (how to get the content you want) thread.
Already famous (the elites)
First it's worth mentioning, (as I brought up in the Zaks thread) sites like FansMetrics are largely bullshit. Without knowing the OnlyFans subscriber count there is no reliable way to estimate OnlyFans revenue. Simply taking social media followings and trying to use that as a proxy for paying subscribers on a different platform is nonsense.
You could use it to put an upper limit on subscribers, but not to gauge an accurate income. In other words, followers on Instagram doesn't necessarily equate to paying customers on OnlyFans, but it's unlikely someone is going to have more paying customers than social media followers.
There are some with sizable followings which they are seemingly able to turn into insane revenue like Bella Thorne and Cardi B.
For Bella, they claim she cleared $1 million in a single day, and $2 million by the end of her first week, but there's no real way to confirm that or gauge how much she makes on a consistent basis because I don't think her subscriber count was ever public, and she created a decent amount of backlash:
Bella Thorne Broke OnlyFans (No, Not Like That)
What, Exactly, Happened With Bella Thorne and OnlyFans?
I originally came across an article alleging Cardi B is making $8 million per month, and it claimed that only puts her in third place (behind Bella and Blac Chyna).
This was obvious bullshit to me, but I was curious how a number like that would even get printed, even on a throwaway blog site like that. A simple search revealed more "articles" repeating the same figure, with one offering a list of the top 10 earners, claiming Blac Chyna is at the top with $20 million per month.
Now we've officially reached the capital of Crazytown, and several other sites repeated the same list. One listed a few sites as "sources", but only gave the website, not a direct link to the article.
But it's easy enough to search a blog site, and going to the first "source" they cite the original creator of the list...a fucking online gaming website called "SlotsUp."
SlotsUp straight up admits the way they came up with those figures was by simply multiplying Instagram followers by the cost of the OnlyFans subscription. The page even says it was "to estimate what each of these stars could be earning." But seemingly every other site just took the graphic and ran with it as gospel.
It was a classic case of a modern day rumor funnel:
This article goes into a little more detail. I only wish I had come across it before having to search down the truth myself.
Granted, we are talking about people who have follower counts in the tens of millions, and such numbers are easy to inflate, but even cutting the number in half, that leaves Mia Khalifa with 11.6M followers and Cardi B with almost 43M followers. You can still monetize that into 7 figures per year pretty easily.
Insta-famous elite
On a lower tier, but still in the elite level, we have someone like Malu Trevejo and her contemporary, Danielle Bregoli, the "cash me ousside how bow dat" girl from the Dr. Phil show (widely called by her instagram handle: "Bhad Bhabie").
These two both opened their accounts basically the day they turned 18, and already had sizable followings.
Bregoli claims to have made $1 million in her first 6 hours, breaking the record reported for Bella Thorne:
Rapper Bhad Bhabie Breaks OnlyFans Record by Earning $1 Million in Six Hours
How Young Is Too Young on OnlyFans? Bhad Bhabieās 18th Birthday Account Raises Questions
She kept her subscriber numbers private, but did post a screenshot allegedly showing her OF dashboard:
If it's legit, it's not really surprising. She and Malu have a lot in common, and Malu left her own numbers public for quite some time, so it's easy to get a reliable estimate of her earnings, and they're up there.
I mentioned it in WHy people pay for e-thot content (The Surprising Psychology Of OnlyFans Simps), but she already had an 8-figure following on Instagram alone by the time she turned 18 and registered for OnlyFans on her birthday.
Only a few days later, she had a live OF account with a $10/month subscription fee, and had 5k subscribers within a day...without a single post. She got up to about 24k subscribers with a few pictures of her feet before increasing it to $16/mo. Apparently she brought it back down to $10, and one month later she still had 61.2k subscribers. Do that math, and then remember it's minimum (because some might have paid more, and then there's PPV)...per month. And again, that was over the course of just her first month, and a total of 9 posts.
Last I checked was in February and her subscription was at $20/month and she still had 13.8k subscribers.
And by that point she had done a pro photoshoot and this was the level of content:
So, roughly at minimum, four months into it she was still pulling in:
$275k
-20% fee
= $220,800 per month
Throw in her PPV and it may be around a quarter million. Per month. Meaning $2.65 million/yr.
It's much harder to tell what she's bringing in now, since she made it free to subscribe and then her count inflated to almost 175k today. No idea if that means more money, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was, or else she wouldn't be keeping it that way. Sure there will be plenty of freeloaders, but it only takes one or two PPV purchases and the free subscriber just paid the equivalent of a month membership.
So this to me reaffirms that the upper elite are easily pulling in a few million per year as well.
Upper class
At this level you have chicks at the lower tier in social media following, but still enough to live on before getting on Patreon/OnlyFans. Vicky Stark, Kat Wonders, Christina Khalil... These thots have been at the social media game for at least a few years and sport at least a few hundred thousand followers on social media.
They also left their patron counts on Patreon public for a while, so Graphtreon is able to provide some insight.
For Vicky and Kat I went into it a bit in How E-thotting Works (how to get the content you want)
Basically I figure Kat is bringing in around the $100kā $200k per year range, and Vicky maybe a little more or less, between their OF and Patreon accounts. I'm not sure what other income streams they might have.
As mentioned in the Zaks post, one article (from December 2020) says Gwen Gwiz was making $70k/month at that point, and it sounds like that includes $3kā $10k from youtube and social media. That seems believable because she has a sizable audience from social media and is basically doing hardcore porn now.
Khalil is discussed in the next post, but I figure she's probably around $200kā $300k per year.
The rest
This article is one of the better ones I've seen in trying to get actual data and be as scientific as possible about it.
Sadly it's almost a year old, so we don't get to account for the dramatic growth the site has likely seen as the pandemic lockdowns have waned on. In any case, as an overall site, OnlyFans is definitely a good business for the owners. In this article from December, the CEO claimed the site "is adding as many as 500,000 users a day and paying out more than $200 million a month to its creators." That puts it at over $2 billion in sales for 2020, dwarfing Patreon.
For the thots, it's complicated. The upper tiers make the vast majority of the money the site brings in, and that's because they showed up to the site already having large social media followings, and they've largely accepted their position as e-thots and are seeking to maximize their exposure to maximize income. So they push accordingly.
As the refinery29 article from the Zaks post highlights, there are other tiers, and it can vary. The piece highlights a few different cases where thots have intentionally limited their fan-base by not advertising and keeping relatively low-key about their accounts. They want to make money, but they also want to maintain some level of privacy. So they're knowingly limiting their income.
Even more popular thots have done this. Before she accepted her fate and went full throttle, Angie Varona maintained a Patreon account that capped at 100 patrons, and never advertised. It lasted less than a year, because she found out content was leaked, and rage quit.
So while "the top 1% of accounts make 33% of all the money and the top 10% of accounts make 73% of all the money," I imagine in many cases this is by design. Despite how normalized the whole thing is getting, some thots just aren't ready to put themselves on full blast.
Bottom line
Basically from what I gather it looks like this. Bear in mind this is mostly guesswork, and it's only what I'm thinking they're getting from OF, and doesn't include other sources of income.
- Elites (D list celebrity and above): $2ā ā $10 million/yr.
Obviously there aren't many of these. This is probably less than 40 accounts. And there's really no way to calculate a good number because there's too many missing variables. How many paying subscribers do they really have on average? How much are they getting in tips and PPV sales? How much are they paying their management team to run the account? What kind of deal did they negotiate with OnlyFans?
That basically goes for all the accounts, but it's a much bigger question mark for these larger accounts.
- Insta-famous (over 5 million social media followers): $1Mā $4 million/yr
- Upper class (500k - 5M followers): $200kā $2 million/yr
- Middle class (kind hot and/or somewhat business minded, but small following): $30kā $300k
- Basic bitches ("I have no following, but I need money, and I'll e-thot for it"): $0ā $10k/yr
It seems like almost every page on this entire forum has at least one mention or question of how much these chicks make for doing almost nothing. Some people speculate, most just express shock, dismay, and disgust.
And invariably some asshole trying to be smug says something along the lines of "I'm here to fap, not talk about finances durr hurr". As if that positions them in some kind of superior standing. People are curious about the economics that drive the entire industry that fuels this very forum, and this guy thinks he himself is cool because he's jerking off.
I think Adam Carolla nails it in this clip:
For anyone who is curious, feel free to expand the spoiler.
When it comes to being curious about the earnings, I think part of it is just the natural fascination/interest in money, but another part is the innate resentment for people getting a lot for not really doing a lot.
There's an entire genre of content dedicated to highlighting females living life on recruit difficulty.
The meme is basically that society has been catering to women and girls for so long that we now exist in a time where females in general (but particularly, hot ones) enjoy a much different life experience than the rest of us. There is a certain extent of societal coddling for females of all ages, and that is akin to playing a video game on the easiest difficulty setting. (However, there is of course a positive correlation between the level of coddling and a particular female's sex appeal. Every female enjoys some level of special treatment in the Western world, but the hotter she is, the easier life tends to be in most social aspects.)
This is both confounding to a fascinating degree, as well as annoying on an equally high level. It's fascinating for guys because it's such a foreign concept for pretty much the entire gender. Males have virtually no experience being valued for simply existing, whereas it's by and large the default for females. So much so that you can easily see the cognitive dissonance and resulting emotional outburst that follows when a female feels she isn't getting the deference she is entitled to.
This is something males have a hard time understanding because they learn very early that their value comes from performance and what they can do for others. They don't know what it is to not have to earn their worth in the eyes of society.
Females largely live a different experience. In the Western World, the level of coddling women receive (usually at the expense of men) is quite extensive and pervasive.
And I think the amount of money these chicks can make e-thotting is one illustration of that. There's plenty more, from
Much of which stems from the women-are-wonderful effect.
And the level at which women have become comfortable with and accustomed to this kind of preferential treatment is evident in how expected it has become.
Do a youtube search for "women getting equal treatment" or something similar. Watch the level of assuredness with which they berate and physically attack men twice their size. Notice the complete shock they display when they are faced with reality. You can see how there was literally no concept of consequences for their actions. It never even crossed their mind that they might be held accountable for their behavior.
This level of delusional confidence only occurs in an environment where it is enabled and facilitated. This is something males are almost never afforded, and thus have almost no concept of.
You're just an incel who hates women
This of course is the accusation often lodged against someone who states inconvenient truths that make insecure people uncomfortable. It's a classic ad hominem to attempt to dodge the point being made, because they don't like what it shows about reality, and they can't successfully argue against it.
The reality is of course none of this is to attack women in general or suggest that there aren't real issues women face. It's simply to point out:
They can't acknowledge any of these things because it would ruin their oppressor/victim narrative.
There's an entire genre of content dedicated to highlighting females living life on recruit difficulty.
The meme is basically that society has been catering to women and girls for so long that we now exist in a time where females in general (but particularly, hot ones) enjoy a much different life experience than the rest of us. There is a certain extent of societal coddling for females of all ages, and that is akin to playing a video game on the easiest difficulty setting. (However, there is of course a positive correlation between the level of coddling and a particular female's sex appeal. Every female enjoys some level of special treatment in the Western world, but the hotter she is, the easier life tends to be in most social aspects.)
This is both confounding to a fascinating degree, as well as annoying on an equally high level. It's fascinating for guys because it's such a foreign concept for pretty much the entire gender. Males have virtually no experience being valued for simply existing, whereas it's by and large the default for females. So much so that you can easily see the cognitive dissonance and resulting emotional outburst that follows when a female feels she isn't getting the deference she is entitled to.
This is something males have a hard time understanding because they learn very early that their value comes from performance and what they can do for others. They don't know what it is to not have to earn their worth in the eyes of society.
Females largely live a different experience. In the Western World, the level of coddling women receive (usually at the expense of men) is quite extensive and pervasive.
And I think the amount of money these chicks can make e-thotting is one illustration of that. There's plenty more, from
- 20 areas where the State disadvantages men and boys, (almost always to privilege women and girls)
- the Pussy Pass
- the level with which society focuses on issues raised by women compared to the near complete neglect of issues facing men
Much of which stems from the women-are-wonderful effect.
And the level at which women have become comfortable with and accustomed to this kind of preferential treatment is evident in how expected it has become.
Do a youtube search for "women getting equal treatment" or something similar. Watch the level of assuredness with which they berate and physically attack men twice their size. Notice the complete shock they display when they are faced with reality. You can see how there was literally no concept of consequences for their actions. It never even crossed their mind that they might be held accountable for their behavior.
This level of delusional confidence only occurs in an environment where it is enabled and facilitated. This is something males are almost never afforded, and thus have almost no concept of.
You're just an incel who hates women
This of course is the accusation often lodged against someone who states inconvenient truths that make insecure people uncomfortable. It's a classic ad hominem to attempt to dodge the point being made, because they don't like what it shows about reality, and they can't successfully argue against it.
The reality is of course none of this is to attack women in general or suggest that there aren't real issues women face. It's simply to point out:
- The people who call themselves feminists make the world out to be much worse than it really is.
- Compared to the issues faced by men, women have it quite easy very often and in many areas.
They can't acknowledge any of these things because it would ruin their oppressor/victim narrative.
The dough
That being said, with regard to e-thot earnings, obviously it varies widely. Not all thots are created equal and there are a number who seemingly have all the advantages, yet don't quite make it, while others have been able to do a lot more with a lot less. I went into how this happens in the How E-thotting Works (how to get the content you want) thread.
Already famous (the elites)
First it's worth mentioning, (as I brought up in the Zaks thread) sites like FansMetrics are largely bullshit. Without knowing the OnlyFans subscriber count there is no reliable way to estimate OnlyFans revenue. Simply taking social media followings and trying to use that as a proxy for paying subscribers on a different platform is nonsense.
You could use it to put an upper limit on subscribers, but not to gauge an accurate income. In other words, followers on Instagram doesn't necessarily equate to paying customers on OnlyFans, but it's unlikely someone is going to have more paying customers than social media followers.
There are some with sizable followings which they are seemingly able to turn into insane revenue like Bella Thorne and Cardi B.
For Bella, they claim she cleared $1 million in a single day, and $2 million by the end of her first week, but there's no real way to confirm that or gauge how much she makes on a consistent basis because I don't think her subscriber count was ever public, and she created a decent amount of backlash:
Bella Thorne Broke OnlyFans (No, Not Like That)
What, Exactly, Happened With Bella Thorne and OnlyFans?
I originally came across an article alleging Cardi B is making $8 million per month, and it claimed that only puts her in third place (behind Bella and Blac Chyna).
This was obvious bullshit to me, but I was curious how a number like that would even get printed, even on a throwaway blog site like that. A simple search revealed more "articles" repeating the same figure, with one offering a list of the top 10 earners, claiming Blac Chyna is at the top with $20 million per month.
Now we've officially reached the capital of Crazytown, and several other sites repeated the same list. One listed a few sites as "sources", but only gave the website, not a direct link to the article.
But it's easy enough to search a blog site, and going to the first "source" they cite the original creator of the list...a fucking online gaming website called "SlotsUp."
SlotsUp straight up admits the way they came up with those figures was by simply multiplying Instagram followers by the cost of the OnlyFans subscription. The page even says it was "to estimate what each of these stars could be earning." But seemingly every other site just took the graphic and ran with it as gospel.
It was a classic case of a modern day rumor funnel:
This article goes into a little more detail. I only wish I had come across it before having to search down the truth myself.
The TRUTH About The OnlyFans Rich List
OnlyFans earning list dubbed the "OnlyFans Rich List" goes viral, alleging Black Chyna makes $19M a month. We break down the truth behind it.
www.respectmyregion.com
Granted, we are talking about people who have follower counts in the tens of millions, and such numbers are easy to inflate, but even cutting the number in half, that leaves Mia Khalifa with 11.6M followers and Cardi B with almost 43M followers. You can still monetize that into 7 figures per year pretty easily.
Insta-famous elite
On a lower tier, but still in the elite level, we have someone like Malu Trevejo and her contemporary, Danielle Bregoli, the "cash me ousside how bow dat" girl from the Dr. Phil show (widely called by her instagram handle: "Bhad Bhabie").
These two both opened their accounts basically the day they turned 18, and already had sizable followings.
Bregoli claims to have made $1 million in her first 6 hours, breaking the record reported for Bella Thorne:
Rapper Bhad Bhabie Breaks OnlyFans Record by Earning $1 Million in Six Hours
How Young Is Too Young on OnlyFans? Bhad Bhabieās 18th Birthday Account Raises Questions
She kept her subscriber numbers private, but did post a screenshot allegedly showing her OF dashboard:
If it's legit, it's not really surprising. She and Malu have a lot in common, and Malu left her own numbers public for quite some time, so it's easy to get a reliable estimate of her earnings, and they're up there.
I mentioned it in WHy people pay for e-thot content (The Surprising Psychology Of OnlyFans Simps), but she already had an 8-figure following on Instagram alone by the time she turned 18 and registered for OnlyFans on her birthday.
Only a few days later, she had a live OF account with a $10/month subscription fee, and had 5k subscribers within a day...without a single post. She got up to about 24k subscribers with a few pictures of her feet before increasing it to $16/mo. Apparently she brought it back down to $10, and one month later she still had 61.2k subscribers. Do that math, and then remember it's minimum (because some might have paid more, and then there's PPV)...per month. And again, that was over the course of just her first month, and a total of 9 posts.
Last I checked was in February and her subscription was at $20/month and she still had 13.8k subscribers.
And by that point she had done a pro photoshoot and this was the level of content:
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So, roughly at minimum, four months into it she was still pulling in:
$275k
-20% fee
= $220,800 per month
Throw in her PPV and it may be around a quarter million. Per month. Meaning $2.65 million/yr.
It's much harder to tell what she's bringing in now, since she made it free to subscribe and then her count inflated to almost 175k today. No idea if that means more money, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was, or else she wouldn't be keeping it that way. Sure there will be plenty of freeloaders, but it only takes one or two PPV purchases and the free subscriber just paid the equivalent of a month membership.
So this to me reaffirms that the upper elite are easily pulling in a few million per year as well.
Upper class
At this level you have chicks at the lower tier in social media following, but still enough to live on before getting on Patreon/OnlyFans. Vicky Stark, Kat Wonders, Christina Khalil... These thots have been at the social media game for at least a few years and sport at least a few hundred thousand followers on social media.
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They also left their patron counts on Patreon public for a while, so Graphtreon is able to provide some insight.
For Vicky and Kat I went into it a bit in How E-thotting Works (how to get the content you want)
Basically I figure Kat is bringing in around the $100kā $200k per year range, and Vicky maybe a little more or less, between their OF and Patreon accounts. I'm not sure what other income streams they might have.
As mentioned in the Zaks post, one article (from December 2020) says Gwen Gwiz was making $70k/month at that point, and it sounds like that includes $3kā $10k from youtube and social media. That seems believable because she has a sizable audience from social media and is basically doing hardcore porn now.
Khalil is discussed in the next post, but I figure she's probably around $200kā $300k per year.
The rest
This article is one of the better ones I've seen in trying to get actual data and be as scientific as possible about it.
The Economics of OnlyFans - xsrus.com
OnlyFans has become part of the zeitgeist recently. The rise of e-girls and the prospects of making millions make it a fun thing to gawk at in a
www.xsrus.com
Sadly it's almost a year old, so we don't get to account for the dramatic growth the site has likely seen as the pandemic lockdowns have waned on. In any case, as an overall site, OnlyFans is definitely a good business for the owners. In this article from December, the CEO claimed the site "is adding as many as 500,000 users a day and paying out more than $200 million a month to its creators." That puts it at over $2 billion in sales for 2020, dwarfing Patreon.
For the thots, it's complicated. The upper tiers make the vast majority of the money the site brings in, and that's because they showed up to the site already having large social media followings, and they've largely accepted their position as e-thots and are seeking to maximize their exposure to maximize income. So they push accordingly.
As the refinery29 article from the Zaks post highlights, there are other tiers, and it can vary. The piece highlights a few different cases where thots have intentionally limited their fan-base by not advertising and keeping relatively low-key about their accounts. They want to make money, but they also want to maintain some level of privacy. So they're knowingly limiting their income.
Even more popular thots have done this. Before she accepted her fate and went full throttle, Angie Varona maintained a Patreon account that capped at 100 patrons, and never advertised. It lasted less than a year, because she found out content was leaked, and rage quit.
So while "the top 1% of accounts make 33% of all the money and the top 10% of accounts make 73% of all the money," I imagine in many cases this is by design. Despite how normalized the whole thing is getting, some thots just aren't ready to put themselves on full blast.
Bottom line
Basically from what I gather it looks like this. Bear in mind this is mostly guesswork, and it's only what I'm thinking they're getting from OF, and doesn't include other sources of income.
- Elites (D list celebrity and above): $2ā ā $10 million/yr.
Obviously there aren't many of these. This is probably less than 40 accounts. And there's really no way to calculate a good number because there's too many missing variables. How many paying subscribers do they really have on average? How much are they getting in tips and PPV sales? How much are they paying their management team to run the account? What kind of deal did they negotiate with OnlyFans?
That basically goes for all the accounts, but it's a much bigger question mark for these larger accounts.
- Insta-famous (over 5 million social media followers): $1Mā $4 million/yr
- Upper class (500k - 5M followers): $200kā $2 million/yr
- Middle class (kind hot and/or somewhat business minded, but small following): $30kā $300k
- Basic bitches ("I have no following, but I need money, and I'll e-thot for it"): $0ā $10k/yr
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