Off Topic Just enough with "I'm not doing it for the views" bullshit

[pinina]

What's the face, you think i stole it? i didn't read all the replies. We're both right.

 

[pinina]

On the same topic of this, have you guys seen the latest "drama"? They make it sound like people are supposed to be robots. They want so much sympathy but there's actually no issue if you listen to them. They just want an out which is what this whole thing is about.

 

[SYTAb]

Nice to know there are guys here who recognize the true nature of women. They ALWAYS have a pretense behind what they say, which is why what they DO is all that matters. Their deflections and "shaming" attempts mean nothing to me. Btw, can you imagine how these "don't objectify me, even though I'm flaunting my body"-type women would react if their chosen social media was down for a few days?

 

[Deleted member 1841]

I'm pretty sure that you saw the video for mother's daughter
What are your thoughts about it ? ?

 

[pinina]

I'm pretty sure that you saw the video for mother's daughter
What are your thoughts about it ? ?

Oh that Miley video, so dumb in my opinion! lol My first thought was she dissed the hip hop world when she left saying it was too negative and filled with sex and drugs as if that wasn't what all of her songs were about and now she does this. She's such a puppet.

 

[Deleted member 1841]

no clue as to your reference, can you elaborate slightly ?

I mean it seemed like it had a good message but the video is just horrible and doesn't help the women situation at all

 

[Deleted member 1841]

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Well the first guy knew exactly what i was talking about ?

 

[SYTAb]

Didn't want to start a thread because my issue kinda relates. I just got done talking to (aka got tired of and blocked for now) a 19-year old (which explains a lot) youtuber who tried the "I don't feel comfortable taking pictures (even though this conversation took place on snapchat where she has a new story probably every day, any pics she sent would delete after I saw them, and has an instagram account that's a few years old)" nonsense. After evoking some emotion out of her by pointing out the flaws in her "logic" she went with the typical "I don't want to be objectified cuz I is woman" "I don't make youtube videos for male attention" drivel and capped it off with, "I'm not here for men's pleasure". After explaining how she's NOT in charge of how men view her, or women in general aka basic human nature, she got predictably mopey, bitter, and unresponsive, so I blocked her goofy ass.

A day or two later, she uploads one of the most ordinary bikini pictures I've ever seen to instagram, and now has a patreon where one of the higher tiers includes weekly pictures (95% probability they're shots you'd otherwise find on her IG). Point is, I took what is basically a frothing-at-the-mouth SJW/Feminist and changed her entire perspective with just a few drops of actual logic, a chat that forced her to not only question her irrational man-hatred, but got her to understand that our nature is to seek out/conversate with attractive women, and then punishing her by taking the only stimulating conversation she's ever had in her entire life... away from her.

Once you introduce honesty to these naturally, INSTINCTUALLY dishonest women, who spend their lives getting their egos stroked and ridiculous utterances "substantiated" by beta-male orbiters 24/7, you give them a chance to start acting like real people, and not caricatures of what society convinces women they need to be. Think I'll reach out to her in a few weeks to see how far she's progressed in not being a basic entitled female, and how "receptive" she'll be when it comes to her sexuality.

 

[Deleted member 18559]

Guys, I just have to share this, it's hilarious.

So I posted a question about shaving on one of those "AskWomen" sub-Reddits and it got deleted instantly. The reason stated didn't match the content, so I sent a message to moderators asking why it was deleted, and, of course, some female moderator gave me an patronizing and condescending answer, which again was rubbish, as neither of her points was right and she was aware of it. Basically, there was absolutely nothing wrong with my question, she deleted it because it hurt her feelings.

Anyway, naturally, I'm intrigued, I stumble upon angry and diabolical feminists all the time on the internet and I can smell them from the get go, so I want to find out if I'm right about this one. As I've said on this topic, I've never ever met an angry feminist who happened to be a fit, beautiful woman, married to a fine man with kids etc, it's always those... Those other ones. I open her messages and start going through them, and this is what she gave away all by herself on various topics:

- she hates her job (of course she thinks she deserves better with her spectacular intellect and skills but this cruel society fails to see it )
- she is a mature woman in her middle 30s, but she has a baby face (she's sugarcoating being unattractive, don't fall for it ? )
- she is fat, she had people ask her if she's pregnant (who would have thought she's fat? ? )
- she had her ex-boyfriend tell her she is boring ( surprise! ? )
- she is married ( ... Well, well-done, I guess, good for her!)
- but her husband, also a man grown, frequently plays Pokemon Go in the park (there we go, I knew it! )
- and he also jerks-off to porn while she is in the other room, they don't have sex at all - she blames porn! (he'd obviously rather imagine having sex with models than fucking a real whale )
- she's all about explaining how women are strong, don't need no man, men are immature and have no idea what women really need, men giving women sexually oriented compliments are disgusting, kissing with tongues is disgusting (you know, basic feminist bullshit )

So, yeah... It was a fun ride. ?

 

[BrandonKing]

Many times, quite often really, I see YouTubers who basically earn views by showing their skin shoot comments like "I'm so sick of guy's objectifying comments, I'm not doing this for the views but because I want to help other girls choose the right bikini for them" etc. and I'm just fed up with it.

edit: when I write a word in caps, I'm not shouting or trying to be agressive, it's just my way of putting an emphasis on something. Try not to read defensively, it's in our nature to do so when having an online discussion. We're just sharing opinions here, there's no need for a "winner" in all this.

Now first of all, keep in mind I will talk generally here, not for any case specifically per se. Second of all, I agree that probably more than half of women are extremely competitive when it comes to other girls who are better looking than themselves. IF they are beautiful enough to care about the competition and IF they are in their direct competitive environment. Ugly girls have way less of this trait. They usually either don't care, or have given up and retreated into their shell of insecurity.

That said:

Plenty of them do it for the big money they get for it, and the free stuff. And ONLY that. With a sub base of 100k already you can get 2-3k+ for a video like that. Bigger youtubers can get 10k+ for a promotional video. Plus a percentage of the sales made through the links they leave. Bikini videos pay A LOT. They can't really say "i'm doing this for the money" though. Or for the views. Or for whatever. Youtube is all about appearances and as a youtuber, you just have to give a positive twist to things. Avoiding negativity basically. And negative concepts like money etc. So yeah, they will say that they do it to help out other girls, or because they love watching those type of videos themselves. That's completely logical. You can't blame them for that. As far as their reaction to comments goes (which rarely happens because again, they want to avoid negativity and confrontation as much as possible), I can understand the genuine ones. I would be annoyed too.

For your specific case, I think you might be correct, but I don't know her so I have no clue really. Either way, don't generalize that too much. Their motivation lies elsewhere most of the time. Usually, money. Either in the form of payed sponsorship, or the lure of bigger future deals by gaining subs. Girls are competitive in their direct environment. Not with their viewerbase. They don't do it to make other girls feels bad. Most of them will enjoy the knowledge of knowing other girls will admire them, and SOME will do it to show off their body. Almost ALL of them will do it to grow their business. And some just genuinly enjoy posting videos like that and don't care about the guys jerking off to them. From my own experience, I can tell you this:

I know someone who used to be on youtube, she had 150k subs. She was planning on never doing a bikini video. She just didn't want guys drooling all over her, it weirded her out. Then at some point, she got offered a 3k deal, plus a bunch of bikinis she was allowed to keep (which adds another 400 dollars or so). And well, the lure of the money was too strong, and she accepted the offer. I would too probably. She regretted it afterwards and felt dirty. The comments contributed to that. Plenty of girls are like that. They like attention from men that they themselves are interested in. And they are grossed out by weirdos or men they don't know, drooling all over them in complete anonymity.

The fact that guys have this need to leave comments is out of place. Sure, watch the video. Sure, jerk off to it. But don't weird up their comment section. Just leave a like as a thank you and that's it. I think we would see a lot more skin if guys didn't post comments like that honestly. Or any type of comment for that matter. It's shooting yourself in the foot. Use some common sense, there is nothing positive about leaving a comment as a male. NOT EVEN IF YOU'RE A NICE GUY AND YOU MEAN IT AS A COMPLIMENT. Just don't do it people. All the youtuber sees is a male name saying, hey, I really enjoyed your body. I possibly even masturbated to you and might do it again in the future. And that's not even talking about the ones who just straight up have insecurity issues and leave comments like "slut" or less direct ones but of a similar meaning.

Thank you for reading this, I enjoy sharing opinions, and I'm interested in seeing if others want to add to these points of view. Or want to change my opinion on certain aspects.

 

[LabKing2020]

OP: "Guys, guys! Did you know ALL women have the ability to lie, cheat and steal like us guys. WTF!"

ME: "How do you have a biochemistry class with 25 smoking hot lab nerds and still come out a virgin?"



Just a joke brother, please continue with this...therapy session? Just know that I'm not looking down on men that cry, it's perfectly normal.

 

[redery]

Jumping back in this one cuz Taylor Alesia's recent return made me think about it.



That's not a joke. She literally made that video.

It's basically the same issue we've been talking about in this thread, but instead of selling sexiness and complaining about being sexualized (ahem Daisy Keech), she's apparently just going to pretend it's not sexiness at all. Literally a church worship outfit try-on haul, complete with ass shaking for the camera and an upskirt shot within the first 15 seconds. I actually kind of have to admire the boldness.

Apparently instead of continuing to hop back and forth over the fence, she's decided to try and straddle it? She's flipped back and forth a number of times over the years (of course she's not the only one). There's multiple videos of her saying she's going to quit, or she quits and makes a video when she comes back.

I mean, it's not hard to figure...You catch all the shit that comes with being an e-thot, not only from anonymous strangers, but your parents and family and other people you know. And if they're religious, they're telling you you're hurting the lord and going to hell and whatever other guilt tripping. I imagine that shit will start to weigh on you after a while, so you back away and stop.

But then all that attention and views and likes and social media interaction dopamine hits dry up too, along with any money you were making from it...and that starts to sting as well. You can pray all you want, but God ain't paying the rent on that swanky apartment. So you start up again. It's like a drug habit. Her video at the beginning of the month was yet another "why I walked away" video. She's done that at least two times before.

She's tried the classic "have your cake and eat it too" thing at least a couple times by trying to maintain the attention (and money) by spinning into some other shtick like self-help advice and such...anything she wouldn't be guilted for. But nothing sells like sex, and that's where all her attention came from in the first place.




Her "advice" shtick

I actually posted about this part a while back in her thread, but it disappeared in forum reorg and purgings. whitedogjake posted:

I can see both sides...

Like you said, this girl and others like her won the genetic lottery and I don't blame them for exploiting it and capitalizing on it, just like professional athletes and GQ models. I want to say one in a million but that's not really honest. More like one in a hundred thousand. Perfect face, perfect hair, perfect body, and big round tits that seem to defy gravity. All of this with no plastic surgery. Extremely rare.
And coming up with new content is exhausting because any "fashion and lifestyle" youtuber has done all of the usual videos twice and run out of ideas in a few months.

Now here's where they get no respect from me....

They are spoiled rotten, entitled children who want and expect everything to be handed to them. They have skated through life on their looks alone and are usually dumb as rocks. Most of these girls come from wealthy families and are the children of equally stupid trophy wives. They have done nothing, and accomplished nothing, to deserve the blessings and opportunities that seem to just fall in their lap. As soon as they start making any money, they blow it on creating this grand luxurious facade called "living your best life". And its all bullshit. Its all fake.

They give advise and try to act like they've got it all figured out, but they don't know shit. They have no real life experience and their personal lives are usually a train wreck. And they have "people" for everything. They have social media managers, entertainment managers, personal assistants, website admins and video editors, stylists, photographers, videographers, and the list goes on... And then they complain about how hard they work, stress, anxiety, mental health, and needing to take time off... Give me a fucking break... All you have to do is eat right, work out, take good photos, and not get pregnant... That's it.

Now I understand that things are changing. Youtube is becoming more family and advertiser friendly, and revenue streams are drying up so you have to look elsewhere like patreon. But here's where you're fucking up. You're promising paying customers that you will upload content on a regular schedule and you're not delivering. And if you are expecting people to pay, then you have to give them content that they can't get for free on youtube (unless they are only paying one or two dollars a month).

My response was that it's hard to blame them. They're still pretty young, and it's not their fault that things fall into their lap. As he mentioned, they had nothing to do with it. They were born with the genetics and the wealthy family. So yeah, you're going to have advantages that others don't. That's just reality.

Where I'm definitely with him is the giving advice part. You give people a little attention and they all of a sudden think they're worth listening to or are qualified to advise others. But again, it's not completely their fault because when you have literally hundreds of kids writing to you every single day telling you how great you are and asking you for advice, it's pretty difficult to not start to believe you are pretty special and worthy of offering guidance, particularly if you're basically a kid yourself. Fully matured adults easily get a big head and can even grow to a full-blown messiah complex...imagine how easy it is for a teen/early-20something to be fooled into thinking they know everything. Hell, by the time they're 16, most people already think they know everything anyway. Imagine having (literally) millions of followers hanging on your every word. I dare you to not be affected by it.

As for the not delivering, I don't know if she or these other chicks promise an actual schedule, it's more vague things like "I'll be posting more regularly from now on." And I don't think any quantity was specifically promised to patrons on Patreon. Certainly not on YouTube, where the viewers are paying nothing anyway.

What gets me is the fact that these are the people she's now asking for help from... Her audience is literally girls aged 11–16 who tune in to fawn over her every word because she's pretty, and boys aged 9–99 who tune in to watch her on mute because she's pretty hot. These girls watch her and worship her religiously, and claim it's because she has such a positive message and has helped them through tough times... but in reality she's their "pretty friend" who makes them feel good by association. Guaranteed, you put her exact same words into the body of an ugly girl and almost none of these "tayliens" would be watching, let alone being so fanatical.

And as if it wasn't bad enough that young impressionable children are taking their cues from someone who's literally only a few years older than them, with zero life experience, and offering little more than her looks... Now this chick as asking THEM for advice. As great as technology is, this is one of the drawbacks. It's the blind leading the blind, on steroids.

And it's all simply because she pretty and says she loves them. Seriously...even the girls.

Just listen to how many of them explicitly mention her looks as one of the reasons they like her.
They don't even realize they're doing it, but females objectify females just as much, if not more than males.




It makes them feel good because it's someone saying she loves them, and it's meaningful love because she matters because she's popular because she's pretty.

That's actually another point to leave on... women bitch all the time about being objectified by men, and how men are so superficial. But pay attention in the future to how women compliment other women. No matter what it is...even if they're just talking them up as a good candidate for a job, or introducing them to receive an award...they're going to mention something about the woman's looks.

 

[redery]

So we've crossed into new territory... The sweet little innocent try-on haul girl Christina "I'm just trying on clothes to help girls find stuff that fits properly!" Khalil has graduated to simulating oral sex on OnlyFans.

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One comment I think captures it pretty well:

This is quite simple. As soon as the money isn't enough to pay all the leased cars they have, she steps up. Eventually they'll either have to live more frugal (doubt it, Jaret is literally e-pimping his gf for cash so morals are out the window) or she will continue to step up when the money fountain dries up, which it will, because people get bored of the same content. There's thousands of hot girls on onlyfans, this isn't the patreon days anymore where she was a top 10 try on haul thot.
Step up or dry up.

Nailed it. Times have changed. It started with YouTube demonetization of bikini videos, so she pushes to Patreon. But if people are actually going to step up to the level of actually forking over their own money, you gotta give more than what's on youtube. Then people get tired of that because it's the same shit she's been doing for 3 years. So she gets a little more risque and creates other tiers and tries to get creative with cosplay and whatnot.

When that gets old after a few months and her numbers keep dwindling she hops on to Twitch, as if anyone's going to pay to watch a try-on hauler try to play video games for the first time. When she realized that wasn't going to work, she pushed OnlyFans, and has slowly been getting more and more risque, just to maintain an audience/income.

And now, we've gotten to the point where not only is it getting old for the new OF audience, even her hardcore long-term fans are getting tired of it. In February it'll be 5 years since she started on YouTube. In those early days, ad revenue was probably pretty decent for someone like her. Same with Patreon when she got on there. But like xohegi said, everyone (and their mom) is on OnlyFans now. Too much competition to be so much of a prude. I've been saying it for quite some time... You've been sexualizing yourself for money on the Internet for at least 3 years now; it's time to embrace it and quit pretending that you haven't crossed the line. You're not a fashion model. Not that you ever were, but you're definitely not now.




Another thing that was brought up was how her milquetoast boyfriend fits into the no-nudity equation:

Is it his policy or is she just prude? Could be both I guess

Henrychessman
He's said something like he prefers that she save something that's just for him but that she makes her own decisions.

libertarian
that is such a "woke" answer. he probably mumbled it over some avocado toast....

I actually posted the guy's commentary back when it came up, #157 in her thread. It basically could be summed up as "She's an adult, not an object! She can do whatever she wants. But her nude body is for me only."

Someone else chimed in:

I've never understood the "something just for my husband" bit. As if the vulva and areola somehow are some sacred treasure that only hold value as long as only the one person gets to see them.

No, mother fucker, you're the only one that gets go deep inside her sweet pussy at night. You're the only one that gets to come home to Christina fucking Khalil smiling at you and telling you she loves you. How does depriving the poor bastards here of a few inches of flesh make that any less valuable? Lots of them are like that though. Gotta be a reason. Personally, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if my wife wanted to show her body to people on the internet.

It's a decent point. Personally I find it odd he'd have a problem with people seeing her nipples (which, we've all already seen anyway...Hell, her slips are even on Pornhub at this point), but he's perfectly fine recording a video as he sticks a riding crop between her ass cheeks while she writhes around with her hands cuffed behind her back in leather boots and full goth makeup, and posting that to sell on the largest e-thot site in the world.

Call me crazy, but I think I'd be more comfortable with my girlfriend showing nudity in a Nirvana-style photoshoot than keeping pasties on but simulating sex acts on camera. But whatever, dude. If you think nipples are so sacred, go ahead and put your blowjob-with-a-burqa video on OnlyFans. I know those motorcycle leases don't pay for themselves.

 

[redery]

Exactly what the thread is about. This is from last year, but only just came across it. Khalil and her bf cry "sexism" when she gets demonetized. I actually mentioned the video he's talking about here in the forum back when it was published because it was just too comical. I honestly wish I knew exactly when she started up on Twitch, because I wouldn't be surprised if this guy's recommendation is what gave her the idea to go there.




I remember noticing they changed the title of the video. Didn't realize it was someone calling them out on youtube that made it happen...

 

[The Godless Fuckhound]

My advice? Don't worry yourself with being "fed up" over something so trivial...